I have really tried to maintain an open mind throughout the Caylee Anthony case, and I have really tried to be supportive in my thoughts of the Anthony’s. Sometimes, I like the rest of you, was cussing mad, and couldn’t comprehend how they did things that they have done. For instance, how they were able to sit behind that murdering bitch during the last motions hearing without cold cocking her a good one in the back of the head. I wouldn’t have been able to show so much restraint. But, then I remind myself that I have no clue what this family is feeling. I know how I felt for the nearly 6-months that Caylee was classified as “missing”. My heart ached for the family, and at times I was enraged. I also know how I felt that December day when it was learned a child’s remains were found 15 houses from the Anthony’s home and presumably they were that of Caylee, and I know the day that they confirmed the identity and having the wind knocked out of my sails all over again. She wasn’t mine, but like many, I grieved for her. America had grown to love this little girl, and at times we wondered whether we loved and cared for her more than her own mother did.
I know that Cindy and George Anthony loved Caylee with all their heart; much more than her mother did. Their love for her has never been a secret, and I can’t imagine how they are able to move on with their lives minus Caylee and that little bitch sits in her jail cell living and breathing. It hardly seems fair if you ask me. Casey has left many people broken in her wake. Her father is forever broken, and as such decided that he didn’t want to live without Caylee in his life. George attempted suicide, but not before he wrote a letter to his family. The note that George left behind is said to be 5-pages long and he left it to be read after he had committed suicide. Thankfully, he was found and taken to a hospital for treatment before he was able to complete his plan.
That note is now the center of controversy. As part of the investigative documents that the state will release, the note is but one part of an additional 1,000 pages. The Anthony’s attorney has filed a motion to stop the release of the note to the public. I can’t say that I blame him for wanting to keep it private. I feel like releasing it would embarass George even more. I wouldn’t want to read it. I would feel as if I were imposing or looking into a room that I wasn’t supposed to be in. It would be strange for me to read the words of an emotionally broken man, knowing that the words were never meant for me or the public. I don’t see what good the note would do to be released, and rally behind Brad Conway in his attempt to keep it private. No good can come of the letter; only more humiliation for this man who is already broken. I know there are some who will want to read it, but I honestly don’t think I can if it is released. I would feel as if I were intruding into a very personal and private matter.
So, what do you feel about the note? Do you think it should be released, and if so…will you read it?
O/T – the Canadian Bacon Hell’s Angels have not yet arrived to beat the snot out of me. I think maybe they got lost. *Right turn, Clyde*. LMAO Thanks for bringing that movie up. haha!!
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If I came across rude, I apologize, but perhaps you didn’t consider that suicide is a tough and painful subject for some of us.
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I agree with you CrazyDaisy… when I said I wouldn’t read it, I meant it. If it is released and becomes a subject of topic, even here, I will avoid it. I’ve already had to read a suicide note from a beloved family member. I’ve even written one. NO way to I wish to relive that pain through George’s private thoughts.
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Suicide is a final selfish act. If I care about someone, and they decide to check-out, I take it personal. Like they did this to me, and anyone who cared about them. So if George really loved his family, he wouldn’t do this to them. He would be out of his pain, but his family and friends would be miserable. The whole family has been high profile since this thing began. I think George knows that anything he does will be reported on. So I say, release the note and lets read it, I believe George wanted the whole world to read it. Also, if you are going to kill yourself….just do it…don’t fail at the last thing you do in your life. Thats why I don’t think he ever intended to commit the final act of suicide.
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While I agree with you it is a selfish act, I disagree with the thought that “if they really loved their family, they wouldn’t do it”. See, by the time they’ve made that choice, they think they’ve given off enough signals to show they are miserable and no-one asked what was wrong. In their mind, they then believe they don’t matter to them.
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I disagree with a good portion of what you said.
Sometimes things are so horrible around you that you feel your family would be better off without you.
For some time, I’d felt like that. I planned everything out -- where my children would go, who would get what, etc. And in my state of mind, it seemed like it would be best for them. I mean, who the hell wants a mother who can’t get a job in this economy and was getting evicted from a trailer park??? Really.
My feelings were far from selfish. I took my kids’ best interest into account.
Fortunately, I was able to pull my head out of my ass and work things out.
Not trying to start an argument here. Just wanted to let you know that suicide is not necessarily selfish.
Back to the case…
Did anyone read this? http://www.wftv.com/news/18861990/detail.html#-
I am disgusted beyond belief.
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You know, I wish that I had not read the above posts before I write mine. Lollipops made the right move. I had a clear thought when I read Princess’s post, however, it started to get murky. I will try to refocus. I have no interest in George’s letter. Can a letter, that was written under duress, actually be considered evidence? From the docs released today, C and G were having arguments where they blamed each other for ‘throwing Casey under the bus.’ Perhaps, in the letter, he would just absolve Cindy of this guilt or conversely, load it on. Whatever…I lost respect for George when he had his episode. From all accounts, he talked about killing himself last Sept. If ever a family needed a man to step up the plate, this family did, but no, he piled on more problems with having to worry about what he would do to himself. At the court hearing the other day, I caught a glimpse of Cindy. The camera caught her face. Her appearance, her face and most of all her eyes, show a woman who has seen hell and really knows what it looks like. George looked, well, healthy in appearance. Compare photo’s of what they looked like last July and now. I don’t condone some of the things that they have done through this whole ordeal, but I am truly suspicious of his suicide attempt. I freely admit that I don’t have a lot personal knowledge of people who have done this to themselves, but I have to wonder if you would buy some beer and order a pizza before you do yourself in. I am confused as to whether he swallowed any pills. I thought the hospital said that there were no pills in his system, yet the bottles were empty. Did he flush them? He must have known that the media would be all over his story, whatever he meant to do. Was this only for attention? Which ever way it went, the letter should be burned. The ramblings of a deranged man should not be considered as any kind of legal or solid evidence.
The letter does not belong in this case. Having said that, I think it is past time for George to ‘man up.’
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Julie, I have the same suspicions. Isn’t it strange that we feel bad about those suspicions?
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No, it shouldn’t be released and I doubt Judge Strickland will let it be released.
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I think George probably was at the very least considering killing himself but I dont know how far he carried that out. I don’t see how we can know exactly what medical treatment he received upon arrival at the hospital. The Daytona police chief who was there, made it very clear that his impression was that GA was at risk. Of course, it’s clear he hadn’t taken a lot of sedatives much earlier or he wouldn’t have been able to walk out to the police car on his own, but he might have taken the pills shortly before the police arrived. Or he may have been feeling suicidal when he drove down to Daytona, but by the time he had poured out 5 pages and had some food and beer, perhaps he was hesitating at the brink. He’s been talking to that Baptist minister, and it may have occurred to him that suicide was a mortal sin and by committing it he might not achieve his goal of being with (((Caylee))) in Heaven. He may have changed his mind and flushed the pills down the drain to stop himself. But in any case, someone who has been that close to the brink needs to get some help. (And I’m glad you did, SBD Fan)
And if it’s true as Opinionator heard that GA wrote something about wanting to buy another gun and go after some of Casey’s friends--wow! that is another very good reason he needed to be in the hospital. Does he actually think some friends or acquaintances of Casey really were involved in killing Caylee? or does he just think they were a negative influence on Casey and got her into drugs and “bad pictures” ? People have said she changed when she started hanging out with Tony and the Club Fusian people.
I too have wondered if perhaps GA might have meant to leave a note affirming his belief in Casey’s innocence, as a last gift for his wife who he thinks has sunk so deeply in denial that if tells her he actually believes in Casey’s guilt, it will kill her. If that is the case, I think he needs to realize he is not really doing Cindy any favors by supporting her delusion. Actually he may cycle in and out of denial himself.
So it’s not that I have no curiosity about it, and it might be hard to avoid learning some of it if it’s released because it will be dissected relentlessly. But my first reaction to hearing it might be made public was revulsion. I would feel like I was being very voyeuristic to peek into a man’s words about his grief or guilt or feelings of inadequacy . I would creep myself out. So I really do intend to try to restrain myself if this note is released which I sincerely hope it will not be.
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I have no desire to read the last words of a man so broken he only saw one option left in his life. If his note contained relevant details that LE needs to present their case, then those details should be used. Nothing else. NO I would NOT read the note-that was Georges pain to be shared with people he loved. Loving someone, and feeling unable to go on, are two different things. Many survivors can look back and say NOW I am glad I didn’t do that. But they DO NOT see that choice when they are deep in pain-they see their pain. I have no need to invade their privacy and pain anymore than their lives have already invaded. Whether I feel they “should’ or ‘should not’ be supporting their daughter has no bearing on how I feel about invading their privacy or Georges’ ‘almost’ last moments. I can tell you this-I am the mother of 5, and I cannot imagine turning my back on any one of them, no matter what they do. I can and will hate the DEED-I cannot ever hate my child. I will not support the crime-I will always love my child. And lets face it-the Anthony’s are damned if they do or if they don’t If they don’t show up at court hearings or visits, they are condemned as not caring or being there. If they do show up, they are condemned because they care. If they are stoic or don’t cry, someone complains. If they do cry, someone points a finger. It is time to let them live their own life, handle their own pain or grief in whatever way works for them. If they laugh, someone criticizes. No matter what they do, there will be someone who agrees, and someone who won’t. They are the parents of a child that committed a crime. THEY did not commit the crime. I raised 5 children with the same values-one had a long flirtation with criminal and danger. The others did not. All raised the same. Some kids are just what they want to be, and some are EXPERT in concealing this. Cindy and George have paid the HIGHEST price I can imagine for anything they did or did not do in raising Casey. It is easy to sit on a keyboard and condemn them-but what if it were your child? Are we all so sure our child can never and will never commit a horrible crime? Of course-we all are. But some families are wrong. It is time to let Cindy and George go in peace-and NOT make them our scapegoat. Their pain is forever. They have to live it forever. Standing up for Caylee, and loving their daughter can go hand in hand. They may not like Casey, they may not want to see her-I am sure they DO want answers-I am sure they feel so much pain when they see her, and I am sure they also feel that pain when they don’t. Unless someone is walking that road with them, I don’t think any of us have any business on it. Casey will pay in a court of law for her crimes, and we all have our own judgment day coming. Cindy and George now have to go on , and find out who they are, and what they are made of. They need to find their own way to survive, work through their grief, how they feel about their daughter, and what happened. If they are trying to support her, that may be their way to process this, get answers and honor Caylee. Casey is the only one to have answers, and may give those answers-someday-to family. She may not, But the Anthony’s now have to go where their heart leads them, for their own sake.
The note, in my opinion, is irrevelant to the case-George was not charged with a crime-his daughter was. Under sunshine laws, only specific case information should be released-not personal pain-so, again, unless it contains relevant details, I don’t see why it should even be a consideration of being released.
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George is in the most impossible position.
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No I would not read it unless, it had something in it that was important to the case at hand. If it said something like yes Casey did it and she told me this… then I would read it. Otherwise, I don’t want to read what someone has to say to their loved ones before they decide to kill themselves. it is a private matter one to which we the public don’t need to know about.
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I still can’t believe people don’t realize that he was serious. The detective in him removed the medicine labels. No one knew where he was and if not for the detectives and the cell ping, I believe he wouldn’t be here. Poor guy.
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I had a brother-in-law who committed suicide over 20 years ago. He left a letter for us. There was a lot of personal messages that he left to all of us that I feel are private to the family only. Even though there may be just a chance of what are George’s feeling of what may of happened to Caylee I feel that the letter should not be released. It really has nothing to do with this case. George is not the murderer. I feel that whatever the A’s were told by Casey was just another one of her lies that she told to have her parents support her. It seems like Casey told the police one story and when they found out it was all lies and could prove it she spent the time that she was in jail to think of another story to tell her family. I feel Casey will never tell the truth of what really happened. I also feel revealing what is in the letter might make George want to try to kill himself again.
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I honestly can say that I was not BS-ing when I said I would not read Mr. Anthony’s suicide note if it is published. It is none of my business. It has no bearing on the case against his daughter. It would make me feel like some kind of a perverted voyeur or an eavesdropper to read it. If Mr. Anthony had wanted everyone to read his final words, he would have mailed the letter to a newspaper or a local TV station -- instead, he left the note with him in the hotel and if he had succeeded in his suicide, the police would have given it to his wife. Just my .2.
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Looks like all of us that said we wouldn’t read it, meant it! We aren’t “self postulating BSers” either.
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the last time I pretended to kill myself, I wrote a way longer letter. Its pathetic!! I’ve changed my position…after reading what Concerned wrote…I dont want to read it now! And I wouldnt want ya’ll to read my pain either. DAMN You Concernedmom. Thats pretty deep. I can imagine the guilt some would feel if he did that…esp with the hanky panky going on with the pi.
I am sorry for your families loss. It is a very private time.
Dont worry, I threw that notebook away. HAHAHA!
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My cousin, who I was very close to, walked into his bedroom back in 2001 and killed himself with a shot gun. I didn’t read his suicide letter, so I would absolutely NOT read George’s.
So much for the whole “self postulating BSers” Bullshit.
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You don’t just pretend to commit suicide. I do feel George was thinking about doing it. I just wanted you all to know what it is like for a family afterwards. My brother in Law shot himself in the head. We were left to clean all of the blood and brain matter off of the walls, furniture and ceilings. This was after we had to Id the body that was down in the basement bedroom at my Mother In Laws house. The police and coroner take the body and leave and then we were left with a mess to clean up. I was months pregnant at the time. The whole time you are wondering what could you have done to prevent this. You also think back to see what clues you may have missed. Suicide affect the loved ones that lived for the rest of their lives because you always wonder why. We were left with guilt. Even a note doesn’t help ease your guilt.
I just wanted to let you know what it is like for the Loved ones. One year after this suicide my husband’s Uncle killed himself. I hope that if someone is thinking about that you please go and get help before doing this.
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If this letter is released to the public, LE will shoulder the burden of conscience if George then DOES succeed in committing suicide. As if George isn’t wounded enough, let’s just push him over the edge for your own laughing glory, right LE?
Apparently LE didn’t have enough giggles n’ grins during the entire “protester” fiasco that they intentionally ALLOWED to happen while they stood idly by and did NOTHING. You can bet your sweet ass though that if ONE of those protesters had shown up at Det. Allen’s home, they’d have been cuffed, bagged and hauled away quicker n’ you could kiss a duck, but it was fine as long as it was happening to the Anthonys.
Detective Allen needs to be bitch-slapped for what he’s put these grandparents through.
Enough is enough.
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WoW DoseOfTruth! You are entitled to your opinion, but as far as how LE has handled this case, I have nothing but praise.
As far as the protesters, it is their constitutional right.
John Allen was one of the first LE Brad Conway called.
While I can’t prove it, I highly doubt any compassionate person would have “laughing glory” or “giggles n’ grins”, and LE has shown nothing but compassion and understanding during the investigation into why Casey Anthony murdered her daughter, Caylee.
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Wow, really?
I dont think Detective Allen has put those grandparents through anything, seems to me their daughter Casey is the one pulling those strings.
I mean this honestly and not snarky, do you really think LE is sitting around GIGGLING, happily pushing George over the edge?
What about George’s children, they seem to have a major case of grins and giggles, and it seems their giggles have caused George & Cindy much pain.
I am sorry, I just dont believe that Det Allen, Melich, Agent Savage, etc are in this for some twisted pleasure.
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I heart you both.
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I’m an George Anthony suicide for real doubter. I’m not convinced along with several others that George really intended to commit suicide. It is also funny he reached out to Mark NeJame and not Brad Conway. hmmmm….
I also find it interesting that they are still so close to Kid Finders and the Milsteads. I wonder if this suicide attempt and the mental counselling is a set-up for George’s new career on the board of Kid Finders and/or as a person to be called into extreme pressure/grief situations down the road because unfortuntately there will always be children missing. It seems to be a fact of today’s society. I would not put this past the money making Anthony’s as a claim to legitimacy and to further also increase their own marketability. I just plain old don’t trust them. They have not acted like any family I would know to date on most anything. George has to think of his future especially if it might not be with cindy who was the primary breadwinner.
My opinion is the note should not be released since George is not indicted on any crime… it was not a sworn statement… and there are HIPPA laws.
Would I read it… you bet I’d read it.
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Concerned, I am so sorry… I half-way know what you feel, but not all the way as my family member didn’t succeed. Before he took all the pills he did, probably about a month before, I saw cuts on his wrists that could only be an attempt to cut them. Years before he had done the same thing, so I think I was hyper aware of it. I had him the equivelent of Baker Acted on. He was upset with me at the time, but the hestitation marks showed me he was crying out for help. But when he locked himself in his room and took 100 tablets of his seizure medication, washing them down with a stolen bottle of wine, I knew he was going to do it for real. As I posted above, it was a freak accident on his part that brought his actions to my attention. (I never bothered him when the door to his room was closed.) He had planned it well. After the \cry for help\, I kept his meds locked up and I gave him his doses… he called the pharmacy and had it refilled without my knowing. I had done everything right for him, having him Baker Acted, took away his pills, kept all meds under lock and key, etc. He got around my safety measures so I know that time was serious.
I keep you in my good thoughts.
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{{{{{hugs}}}}} To all of you who’ve been touched by suicide, and thank you for giving us an insight into the effects of it.
I’d like to vouch for CrazyDaisy and other BH members who say they wouldn’t read the note. Believe me, I know them and they mean it or they wouldn’t have said it. End of story.
It’s astonishing to me that anyone would blame LE for George and Cindy’s pain. NOBODY is to blame except their own daughter! LE have behaved with grace, dignity and respect from day 1. In fact, I think they’ve bent over backwards to placate them, in spite of the way the Anthonys have publically criticized and blamed LE instead of Casey for their problems.
I’ve never seen a family more disrespectful of LE. They have openly had contempt for them, even when they were trying to find their grandaughter and her murderer. From the day LE first suspected Casey until now, they can’t do anything right in the Anthony’s eyes. The hate they have for LE is apparent. Anyone who goes against Cindy’s belief in Casey’s crazy story is crucified by them. It puzzles me as to why George would do this, being a former member of LE.
As far as the note goes, if there is any evidence in it that will put Casey behind bars for the rest of her life, it needs to be used. I have no desire to read of George’s personal pain. I would read the portions of the note containing any hard evidence that in any way helps the prosecution.
IMO there will be no evidence in the note. I think it will be the Anthony’s usual doublespeak. It’ll be like Lee’s eulogy (if you can call it that) at the memorial; a lot of words that mean absolutely nothing. If anything, I think George probably defended Casey in the note just as he, Cindy and Lee do every opportunity they get.
The Anthonys can talk more and say less than any family I’ve ever seen. Everytime I hear one of them speak, when they’re done, I think *huh* what did they just try to say? They have the poor to no communication skills. No wonder they’re so dysfunctional. They can’t understand what they’re saying to one another. It would drive me completely crazy if I had to try to interrogate them as LE did. The majority of their answers are vague, and/or filled with symbolism and doublespeak. I. don’t. get. it. George’s note is probably the same old same old. Even contemplating suicide, I think he would write as he speaks, saying many words, but saying nothing. That’s just my opinion.
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Princess, and every one else…I am truly sorry for my rude and condescending remarks from the other night. Where some people were posting from an area of real hurt in their lives, I saw self righteousness. I shouldn’t judge other people’s ideals.
Although I still believe George’s suicide attempt was a sham, that’s just me. And I have little interest in reading his cockamamie “defense of Casey” letter.
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Cheralynn, thank you for that realization and having the grace to apologize. I for one accept your apology. While I did not say anything about it in my comments before, I had a high school friend who committed suicide, and another close friend who attempted suicide, he went to a hotel and a maid found him unconcious, and she called an ambulance and they saved him…he woke up in a psych ward. and to be honest I have had some very dark moments where I thought about suicide myself and actually at one time came close, but at the last I stopped myself. I suppose those experiences may be part of the reason I feel like I want no part of peeking at that note.
I tend to think he probably was at least really considering suicide, but of course I can’t know for sure, I don’t even know the man. But if it was all a stunt and he wrote it try to somehow influence the public on behalf of Casey, then in that case I’d feel like why should I play along with it?
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((Ariane)),
I wish I could send this to you privately, but here goes…8 years ago I was at the lowest point ever in my life. I truly wanted to die. I was clinically depressed and in a bad living situation. I wrote a short, to the point note to my children, walked down the street to a church in my town, with a bottle of accupril in my pocket. I said to God..”If no one’s here to help me, I’m swallowing the bottle.” Two women came into the church restroom and asked if they could help me. Turns out it was the pastor and her assistant. I told them my story and how I thought my children would be better off without my existence, and I said “They will get over it”, meaning my death.
The assistant pastor told me that her own father had taken his own life years earlier, and she informed me that she “NEVER got over it”. That said it all for me. I couldn’t hurt my children in this way.
No one ever saw my suicide note. I walked home and tore it up.
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Just wanted to make sure everyone could see this article about the new document dump.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18861990/detail.html#-
I am completely disgusted.
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If it’s released, I’m reading it, although I’m much more interested in the Casey video reaction at the jail.
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We were just talking about this in our chatroom yesterday. (Those who would like to join us are certainly welcome. I apologize. I should have extended the invitation days ago. It’s on PalTalk. The room is CrimeTalk under Social Issues, subcategory “other”. Direct link if you have PalTalk Scene is http://chat.paltalk.com/g2/group/1235164035/)
Back to the note…I would read it if there were evidentiary value to it.
My cousin’s wife committed suicide. She and I have the same first and last name. Hard to see your name in the family bible as “deceased”. :( She left no note, just hung herself. Everyone still wonders why. In this case George didn’t end up taking his life.
If there’s no evidentiary value to it, why embarass the man any further? I’m sure Judge Strickland could look at the note and determine that much.
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Gizamom, that is just terrible that she hung herself. Suicide hurts so many more people than just the victim. Thanks for the link — I’ll try to stop by sometime.
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Thanks, Princess. It was. My cousin was in a support group for widows and widowers of suicided spouses for a long time. In the end, those left behind are the true victims, aren’t the? :(
Yes. Please do stop bye Princess! Love to see you there!
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